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11 “‘In that day I shall raise up the booth of David that is fallen, and I shall certainly repair their breaches. And its ruins I shall raise up, and I shall certainly build it up as in the days of long ago, 12 to the end that they may take possession of what is left remaining of E´dom, and all the nations upon whom my name has been called,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, who is doing this.

13 “‘Look! There are days coming,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘and the plowman will actually overtake the harvester, and the treader of grapes, the carrier of the seed; and the mountains must drip with sweet wine, and the very hills will all find themselves melting. 14 And I will gather back the captive ones of my people Israel, and they will actually build [the] desolated cities and inhabit [them], and plant vineyards and drink the wine of them, and make gardens and eat the fruit of them.’

15 “‘And I shall certainly plant them upon their ground, and they will no more be uprooted from their ground that I have given them,’ Jehovah your God has said.”

When was this fulfilled. James tells us.

Acts 15:13 After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: “Men, brothers, hear me. 14 Sym´e·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 ‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth of David that is fallen down; and I shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 known from of old.’

Notice he quotes from Amos 9 and applies it to the restoration of God's people in the first century long before the destruction of Jerusalem.

Further proof that EW's interpretations are wrong. The rebuilding of the booth of David and restoration of God's people occured only after Jesus arrived in his first presence in the first century. Likewise, the rebuilding of the booth of David and the restoration of God's people could only occur during Jesus 2nd presence in modern times. Since EW agrees that JWs are God's people today then by his own admission the scripture has been fulfilled upon God's people today.

If Christ's presence has not begun and the booth of David has not been rebuilt then God's people do not exist today as an organized group. But if God's people do not exist as an organized group then there is no organization to apply the future judgement interpretation of EW. You cannot have it both ways. Either Christ's presence has begun and the booth of David has been rebuilt and God has gathered a people for his name or Christ's presence has not begun, the booth of David has not been rebuilt, there is no organized people for God's name and thus no future judgement can come upon God's people.


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al -  

Thanks for covering this.

Ironically, the whole EW theology would make more sense if he said JWs weren't God's people. But then again, if he said that, his whole theology would collapse as his interpretations could not be applied to JWs and his FJV would be meaningless.

So the FJV can either be grossly unscriptural or thoroughly make no sense.

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agrarian -  

3W said:

If Christ's presence has not begun and the booth of David has not been rebuilt then God's people do not exist today as an organized group. But if God's people do not exist as an organized group then there is no organization to apply the future judgement interpretation of EW. You cannot have it both ways. Either Christ's presence has begun and the booth of David has been rebuilt and God has gathered a people for his name or Christ's presence has not begun, the booth of David has not been rebuilt, there is no organized people for God's name and thus no future judgement can come upon God's people.

wow ...good point ...and yet another simple (or what EW calls sophmoric ..because a point is so simple and basic it makes it hard for him to twist so he calls it sophmoric) and powerful point.

yet another one he won't address....and yet another one that is like the proverbial "elephant in the room" at e-jwdb.



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