3rdwitness - Watchman: Is It Time to Say He Is Sorry? As you brothers well know, in the past few months many inquiries from Jehovah's Witnesses were directed to Bethel headquarters and numerous branches around the world regarding the Watchtower's ten-year membership as a UN-affiliated NGO. Watchman and others presented detailed documentation as to the depth of the Watchtower's involvement and they requested Bethel to straightforwardly make an accounting to the brothers for having 'secretly made a political alliance with the United Nations' as Watchman put it.
What was the response? Lovingly, the WT provided a straightforward explanation of exactly what took place. In fact, the Watchtower's caring responses in the private letters they sent out to those who inquired are in harmony with the paper trail of evidence that we have presented at the NGO mini-site! Much of the 'detailed documentation' presented by apostates was proven to be inaccurate documentation. Bethel did not commit spiritual prostitution nor did they lie to cover anything up. http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/ Notwithstanding, Watchman insists on calling the hard working brothers at Bethel liars. How disappointing that one who claims to be anointed by Jehovah exhibits such callous disregard for our brothers taking the lead among us and for the truth! No doubt some unsuspecting Jehovah's Witnesses have been stumbled by the Watchman's false accusations as he continues in his attempts at hiding the truth and deceiving others by false information about the WT as an NGO with the DPI. As you also well know, the Silentlambs organization has lyingly exaggerated and falsely publicized the issue of child abuse in the organization. This blog: http://thetruthaboutthetruthaboutthetruth.blogspot.com/2006/07/does-policy-of-watchtower-create-safe.html has provided evidence showing that the WTS has the very best policy of any religion and has never had a policy in place to DF individuals who report child molesting. Contrary to the lies of the Silentlambs organization and Watchman, the organization of JWs has never been a haven for child molesters. If there ever was an occasion when the Watchman needed to step up and admit that both he and Silentlambs have misrepresented the facts, now would be an appropriate time. But, how has the Watchman responded to the information that has been presented? He is still quick to compare JWs to Baal worshippers who sacrificed their children in the fire ignoring the real evidence. And the Watchman desparately has tried to point to other religions that have a better policy but to no avail as we have shown. His refusal to admit that JWs have the best policy of any religion belies his true motives. Instead of any meaningful admission that he is wrong, he still clings to the lies and misrepresentation of Silentlambs making him an enemy of God by making himself partners of the enemies of God's organization. He knows this to be the truth for he has admitted that "it is possible for some to become so deluded that they imagine that they are serving Jehovah by advertising the Society's shortcomings, when in Jehovah's judgment such ones are merely scandal-mongers and fault-finders and working as partners with our many enemies to subvert our faith." It has also clearly been shown that his future judgement view is unscriptural: http://ewatchman-exposed.co.uk/research/read.php?t=2453&reply=1#msg1 He simply cannot provide an answer for the scriptures presented. Will he continue to cling to his artfully contrived story despite the mountain of Bible evidence disproving his view? Will he admit that he made a mistake and shed his self appointed title or will he pridefully and stubbornly maintain that scales have fallen off his eyes and God has enlightened him and given him the assignment as a modern day prophet/watchman even though his ideas and many of his writings were proven to be plagiarized? http://thetruthaboutthetruthaboutthetruth.blogspot.com/2005/09/e-watchman-enlightened-by-holy-spirit.html Was it just false mock humility when Watchman himself said, " why should we imagine that it is our God-assigned duty to lay bear the Watchtower's errors before the congregation?" Surely, many of those who were once spiritually weak and taken in by Watchman's deceptions, have now been sickened by the Watchman's double speak and his refusal to accept the truth in these matters, even banning any defense of JWs at his site as respects these subjects. Again, how very disappointing for one who once served Jehovah to show such a two-faced and prideful spirit! Will he humbly listen even to his own counsel when he said, "anyone who teaches something contrary to the Watchtower is working against the congregation and is viewed as an enemy...That being the case, why should we want to be the ones to set a stumbling block before others by pointing out the Watchtower's errors?" Instead of going to such great lengths to continue to mislead with lies and artfully contrived false interpretations of the Bible, a candid and frank admission that he was wrong, a request for forgiveness on the part of the Watchman, and a shutting down of his apostate site might help some disaffected brothers and sisters who have been misled by him. Instead of being perceived as a sign of weakness on his part, it would give evidence of true Christ-like humility. His truthfulness and humility could possibly help some to return to the Truth. If he is truly "deeply concerned" about the spiritual welfare of all of Jehovah's dear sheep, including the "spiritually weak," he will be quick to do whatever is necessary to help restore the trust of those he has misled in Jehovah and his organization. I am confident that Jehovah's Witnesses are more than ready to forgive should he decide to do the right thing and humbly apologize and return to Jehovah's organization. This is based on Watchman's own commentary: Watchtower: Is It Time to Say "We are Sorry"? This message was last edited at agrarian - I personally have followed the whole e-watchman saga now for a few years, and I have to say that all the above mentioned issues that 3W lists above, have been thoroughly shown to have been wrong or grossly twisted by Robert King. More thoroughly proven wrong than I ever imagined any of it could be when this web-site started. So thoroughly in fact I am convinced that even Robert King himself, has to have been given profound and deep "pause." Perhaps ESPECIALLY Robert King.... I say that because he does happen to know more intimately than most just where and how his "doctrines" have run off the proverbial track.
I would like to be among the first to say that I sincerely hope for this outcome. That Robert perhaps will humbly reconsider his path. It really could accomplish much good. If I have in the past been harsh in my rhetorical exchanges with him, I'd like to sincerely say that it has mostly been born out of the impression that He HAD to know how wrong what was going on as a result of E-watchman.com's forming was. The apparent seemingly intentional nature of it all. along with certain actions of his made me dubious as to any degree of sincerity in his chosen course. If it was or is, that he is truly misguided by personal errors and judgments, then to humbly follow the path 3W outlined above would certainly be a demonstration of humility that would be welcomed in a HUGE way from all of Jehovah's Witnesses, not the least of all... me. if there is any ray of sincerity in him, I'd like to extend a personal appeal to thoughtfully consider 3W's above post. If not ...then that too speaks for itself. This message was last edited at Agrarian: So thoroughly in fact I am convinced that even Robert King himself, has to have been given profound and deep "pause."
Robert King is a very intelligent man. I have no doubt that he knows he is wrong on all counts presented above: child abuse, ngo, FJV, & speaking out against the organization. But does he have the humility to admit it? those who are disfellowshipped for apostasy are guilty of calling down evil on Christ's brothers. So, at some point each will have to acknowledge their error or face the consequences.
So then GoodW, can we definitely say that RK is guilty before Jehovah for calling down evil on FDS ? Is he even more guilty when he calls FDS liars and baal-worshippers ?
goodwatchman - Original name removed and replaced with a blank. Now, the question: Is _________a promoter of a sect? Yes, absolutely! Why can we say that? Because ___________promotes teachings that run counter to the truth that is held in common by Christ's anointed congregation. Just as Jesus condemned those who were "holding fast the teaching of the sect of Nicolaus," so too, the followers of __________ holds fast to unbiblical teachings.
Those who embrace such teachings may be said to hold fast to the teachings of the sect of ____________. Paul said in reference to Hymenaeus and Philetus: "Their word will spread like gangrene." How true that has been of _________'s words as well. Like the 1st Century Cretins, _______'s teachings have also subverted the faith of entire households of Jehovah's Witnesses. For a certainty, the teachings of ___________ are truly comparable to a rapidly spreading, gangrenous, faith-destroying cancer. Even though I was originally brought before a tribunal for mailing out 6,000 letters to every kingdom hall in America and Canada, amazingly I was not disfellowshipped for that. The main thing that convinced the elders that I was an apostate and should be put out of the organization was the fact that I did not believe the 1914 doctrine. One elder was particularly disturbed because I stated that the FDS was not appointed over all the Master's belonging in 1919 due to the simple fact that that appointment takes place at the revelation of Christ.
I think that badwatchman appears to fit the discription that goodwatchman put forth of an apostate who "promotes teachings that run counter to the truth that is held in common by Christ's anointed congregation" just like Nicolaus.
Imagine that! Goodwatchman calling badwatchman an apostate. How unloving! agrarian - yes someone should defend badwatchman against the slanderous and vicious unwarranted attack by goodwatchman...his unloving attack shows he is not Christlike and loving. Badwatchman just wants to exersise his rights as a Christian and his free speech...
what's wrong with that Goodwatchman? why should we imagine that it is our God-assigned duty to lay bear the Watchtower's errors before the congregation?
it is possible for some to become so deluded that they imagine that they are serving Jehovah by advertising the Society's shortcomings, when in Jehovah's judgment such ones are merely scandal-mongers and fault-finders and working as partners with our many enemies to subvert our faith.
anyone who teaches something contrary to the Watchtower is working against the congregation and is viewed as an enemy...That being the case, why should we want to be the ones to set a stumbling block before others by pointing out the Watchtower's errors?
al - Watchman said: anyone who teaches something contrary to the Watchtower is working against the congregation and is viewed as an enemy...That being the case, why should we want to be the ones to set a stumbling block before others by pointing out the Watchtower's errors?
Yet calling him a hypocrite is "name calling". Oh, how wrong of me. (!)
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